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Believers in Knox and Sollecito's innocence labeled "conspiracy theorists"

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But the shoe may fit the other side. . . 


An interesting forum discussion on this topic from 2-3/ 2011 at the James Randi Educational Foundation.    Although the "innocenti"  are often called "conspiracy theorists",  critical commentary and analysis would lead one to believe that it is in fact those who presume guilt who must engage in some strange mental gymnastics.


I have been reading this forum sporadically,  but am here  just clipping some posts here for further notes:


Below, from post #21 of the Messei/Mignini Conspiracy topic:

1. Quote: "Police in the Italian city of Perugia said that the image was "clear cut," and flatly contradicted Knox's latest version of events" Clear cut!? About twenty pages back on the main thread someone, I think Chris C, posted it most recently, it's about as 'clear cut' as your average picture of a 'ghost.' It's also Meredith. 2. Quote: "Knox has changed her version of events at least three times. Over the weekend, she told her mother, Edda Mellas, who visited her in prison, that she had told the truth when first questioned by police, telling them that she had been at Sollecito's flat all night." She only 'changed' it once, after being told they had 'hard evidence' of her at the scene and that Raffaele had said she went out that night, after they told him they had 'hard evidence' of her at the scene. That's after hours of intense interrogation for poor Amanda. That 'clear cut' CCTV video would be the 'hard evidence.' So even if they count 'changing' it and 'changing' it back that's only two times. 3. Quote: "Police said that Knox's room at the cottage must have been "thoroughly cleaned" after the crime, as no traces of her fingerprints had been found in the room. She had occupied the room since the beginning of September." No, bungling fools, just because you can't find a proper print, doesn't mean you get to tell the world she must have 'thoroughly cleaned' her room so she looks suspicious. 4. Quote: "A report issued by Judge Claudia Matteini alleges that Kercher was sexually abused by Knox, Sollecito and Lumumba before being stabbed in the throat." Nope, absolutely no evidence of anyone but Rudy at the scene, never any of sexual assault by any of these three. Just made up out of whole cloth, and at this point they have the forensics, which is why they're looking for the 'North African' man, Rudy Guede. You've got to love how they really didn't want to accept an alibi for Patrick. They drilled that professor for seven hours because they wanted so badly to break that alibi. His lawyers are lining up witnesses to his alibi and they have the receipts from the bar, and they're still playing with the time of death ten days after the murder! Like they didn't already know, but then again they had to extend it two hours after it probably happened, and one hour after it could have possibly happened to account for the smack-dealing bums rambling testimony on the stand. It would take them more than a week more to let Patrick go, and then they'd blame Amanda for not 'telling' them sooner, when she gave them the note the night she was arrested. Like they were going to release anyone on her word at that point anyway.  Let's see, what else is there: 5. The 'house of horrors' picture with the chemically treated bathroom that made it look like Amanda had said she took a shower in a blood soaked bathroom and never noticed. 6. Lying to her about testing positive for HIV so they could get her sexual history and then broadcast it to the world when it 'leaked' to the press. 7. The whole 'caught with a mop' outside the house by the postal police. What else was there?

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and from post #30:

However, the Massei Report contains all the classic evidences of a conspiracy theory where the rubber hits the road. It tries to take isolated things out of context without being able to combine it into a coherent whole--or provide any damned evidence any of it happened. 'Suspicious' things that aren't that 'suspicious' upon reflection, and just ludicrous reasoning to try to paper over the fact there's nothing backing it up. Mignini had to extend the time of death an hour past the last scientifically possible time of death in his closing statement because of Curatolo's rambling on the stand, reading how Massei handwaves that away with out of context quotes is entertaining.

His favorite phrase, 'It is possible, indeed probable' and then going on to say something stupid like 'they decided to wait until morning to clean up because it would be easier (after the blood dried!) and there was no chance of the body being discovered.' Or his pretending Amanda was carrying basically a butcher's knife in her handbag for days as 'protection' when Raffaele had a little knife collection and if she really wanted a knife for 'protection' she wouldn't take one that would cut up her bag or fingers reaching into it, (for which there is no evidence of cuts or tears) she'd just get one from Raffaele.

Also the whole thing starts with Mignini, who comes up with the idea three people raped and murdered poor Meredith with absolutely nothing to support it outside those few items that certainly didn't implicate Amanda as being actually involved in the crime anyway--she was supposedly cowering in the kitchen with her ears covered when she 'vaguely' and 'confusedly' has her 'repressed memories' of Patrick killing Meredith.

Note that when they get done putting her through the ringer and arrest Patrick, Raffaele and Amanda they'll get the forensics back later, and find nothing but evidence of Rudy at the site. They have a cat burglar who recently was caught breaking into a second story window who leaves relative gobs of evidence at the scene and flees to Germany, but they arrested three people who left utterly nothing and who stayed and called police.

and from post #24:

How could I forget the famed 'Bleach Receipt!' The one that brought forth a year or so later the celebrity-seeking twit, whose name I can recall this time but will probably misspell, Quintavalle. He comes forward after almost a year of prodding by a journalist, and claims he saw Amanda the day after the murder skulking around his bleach. 

Except, of course, by this time the whole 'bleach receipt' strategy has been rendered impossible by forensics revealing no possibility of a bleach clean-up, and of course he's refuted by the records of the police officer who interviewed him shortly after the murder where he said no such thing, and the two who were with him at the time.

With Curatolo in the process of being discredited by the bus testimony, and the old lady by the fact they won't be able to get away with a scientifically impossible time of death again, the thrice refuted twit is their only witness, and all he said he saw was Amanda lurking about his store the next morning!

How do you put together a case with no real evidence and no witnesses? I'm starting to think those that were saying without the DNA evidence and the smack-dealing bum Hellmann might just dismiss the whole thing. What kind of case could they make?


from posts #290-91:


"Meredith Kercher 'could have grabbed murderer's hair"

"Italian police investigating the murder of Meredith Kercher are testing blood-smeared hairs found in her hand that could have come from her killer or killers, it emerged today."


So the facts as we know them are:

There's no doubt cops found something they presumed to be hair in Meredith's hand.

Under microscopic evaluation (but no DNA tests) it was later determined to be a wool fiber. 

here's an interesting Wikipedia entry: Wooly hair
...hair typical of those of sub-Saharan ancestry

Is it so far fetched that before the microscopic results came, cops could have had some suspicions that hair to be of an attacker of African origin?
post #302:

I have question to the proponents of the guilt theory.

Amanda and Raffaele apart from removing their own traces from the scene put great effort into preserving Rudy Guede's numerous shoe prints and other traces. They pointed out those traces to the cops. It was part of a plan of sticking all of the blame on Guede, right?
What was the purpose of blaming Patrick? It would make more sense to stick to the initial story waiting for the cops to process the forensics and jail Guede.

Oh, that's incredibly easy to explain! It was all part of a diabolically devious masterplan by Knox and Sollecito to send the police on a wild goose chase, er, before, er, the police processed the forensic evidence and found the traces of Guede that Knox/Sollecito had deliberately left in the apartment.

It's part of the same criminal masterplan whereby Knox and Sollecito deliberately left some visible blood in the bathroom so that they could, er, pretend to get concerned, so that they could, er, have a pretext to be in the cottage when the police arrived, so that they could, er, "manage the discovery" or, er, something like that. Cos just packing up and going to Gubbio for the day (as previously planned and communicated to others), or even just staying in Sollecito's apartment until someone else discovered the murder, would just be too OBVIOUS, wouldn't it.... 

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